Open Forum

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Joe Lieberman in Iraq today. I hate to say it, but he looks like a potato in a helmet. Actually, I didn’t hate saying that at all. There are definite echoes of McCain in the Baghdad marketplace…

No gas tax this summer, say… Senate Democrats! On to the House! Or not. More here.

Education Margaret Spellings in Stamford yesterday to talk about No Child Left Behind.

A Connecticut Episcopal church allies itself with a Nigerian bishopric over homosexuality.

What else is going on?

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24 responses to “Open Forum

  1. Has there ever been a politician that looked good in an army helmet?

    Of course, Mike Dukakis takes top prize:

    George Bush doesn’t look good in the top one!

    Al Gore’s wearing a soft helmet in the picture, but needs to watch where he points that gun! Well, he was a reporter in the army…

  2. GI Joe meets Mr. Potatohead?

  3. Seems like everyone looks like Snoopy in a helmet.

    Of course Kerry prefered to look like an Oompa Loompa

  4. TrueBlueCT

    Tony Snow comes out with the new Republican talking point, (read lie), for Iraq. “We need to apply the Korean model so Iraq doesn’t become the next Vietnam.”

    This is so wrong and dishonest, I don’t know where to begin parsing. I guess what I’d ask Mr. Snow is why didn’t we try applying the Korea model to Vietnam, such that it didn’t become the Vietnam disaster that cost us 50,000 American lives?

    Whoops, we did! Next!

  5. TrueBlueCT

    One if–

    You ‘wingers are so unpatriotic, and have so little respect for the lives of our troops…. Keith has probably given up in his attempts to get through to you.

    Tell us again about your plans for a happy ending to Iraq. And oh yeah, when can we really expect for things to start getting better?

  6. One if by land

    Winger… that’s funny.

    I just think it is ironic that Cindy Sheehan was the poster child of the democrats and many on this blog….

    Then, she turns on the Dems — complaining that they are doing nothing for her cause, and then

    S-I-L-E-N-C-E.

  7. Joe Lieberman in Iraq today…. he looks like a potato in a helmet.

    Actually, I think he looks like Homer Simpson.

  8. [quote post=”576″]Actually, I think he looks like Homer Simpson. [/quote]

    “MMMMmmmmmmmm…………. Surge…………”

  9. I remember Winger…they had that great song, “Seventeen”.

  10. [quote comment=”10685″]Seems like everyone looks like Snoopy in a helmet.

    Of course Kerry prefered to look like an Oompa Loompa[/quote]

    Kerry had some of the worst campaign photo ops ever.

  11. [quote comment=”10702″]Winger…

    that’s funny.

    I just think it is ironic that Cindy Sheehan was the poster child of the democrats and many on this blog….

    Then, she turns on the Dems — complaining that they are doing nothing for her cause, and then

    S-I-L-E-N-C-E.[/quote]

    I responded in another thread actually, though it was OT. Honestly I don’t get your obsession with Sheehan. Her being fed up with both parties is understandable. But more importantly, what does she have to do with politics in CT?

  12. Mr. Reality

    Good for Joe. Way to stand up for our troops!!!

  13. Way to stand up for the troops??? You mean get them killed, right? Throwing 150,000 American soldiers into the middle of shooting gallery isn’t standing up for the troops. It’s leading them to slaughter — one IED at a time.

    From today’s Courant:

    A helicopter crash in Iraq on Memorial Day claimed the life of a Norwich soldier, Army 1st Lt. Keith Heidtman, 24, who was from Courtney’s 2nd District in Connecticut. Heidtman was among ten American soldiers killed that day in roadside bombings and the helicopter crash, making May the deadliest month of the year for U.S. troops.

    If this war is so important, why hasn’t the U.S. been mobilized for war? Why aren’t our generals and politicians — including President Bush and Joe Lieberman — making commercials and speeches urging Americans to send their sons and daughters to fight in Iraq to save America? If this war really matters, why aren’t we all fighting it?

    The answer is because it’s bullshit war. If everyone in America had to send a husband or son to fight in Iraq, we wouldn’t be there right now, making a horrible situation even worse.

    Joe Lieberman, Chris Shays and the Republican Party have been sending back encouraging reports from Iraq since this war began. How many times do these idiots have to lie to you, and how many soldiers have to die, before you realize that their strategy is a failure?

    Way to get the troops killed, Joe. Why don’t you just stay there.

  14. I’d like to support our troops by invading Canada, occupying the Antarctic, and seizing the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Don’t ask why, occupy!

  15. The soldiers that Joe Lieberman visited in Iraq had a lot of questions for the Senator, and number one on the list was when do we go home? (h/t crooksandliars.com):

    The night before, 30 other soldiers crowded around him with questions for the senator. He wrote them all down. At the top of his note card was the question he got from nearly every one of his fellow soldiers:

    “When are we going to get out of here?”

    The rest was a laundry list. When would they have upgraded Humvees that could withstand the armor-penetrating weapons that U.S. officials claim are from Iran? When could they have body armor that was better in hot weather?

    Williams missed six months of his girlfriend’s pregnancy when he was given six days’ notice to return to Iraq for his second tour. He also missed his baby boy’s birth. Three weeks ago, he went home and saw his first child.

    “He looks just like me,” he said. “I didn’t want to come back. . . . We’re waiting to get blown up.”

    Williams wasn’t sure if he’d say how he really felt. But if he could, he’d ask about body armor.

    “I don’t want him to snap his fingers to get things fixed,” Williams said, referring to Lieberman. “But he has influence.”

    Next to him, Spc. Will Hedin, 21, of Chester, Conn., thought about what he was going to say.

    “We’re not making any progress,” Hedin said, as he recalled a comrade who was shot by a sniper last week. “It just seems like we drive around and wait to get shot at.”

    But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he’d never voice his true feelings to the senator.

    “I think I’d be a private if I did,” he joked. “It’s just more troops, more targets.”

    To get an understanding of how completely out of touch Lieberman is, read the whole article.

  16. CaptCT: If this war really matters, why aren’t we all fighting it?

    Fortunately, all don’t have to fight it since we have a totally volunteer, very highly trained, fighting force. However there are plenty of opportunities here at home to support those who are doing the fighting.

    CaptCT: If this war is so important, why hasn’t the U.S. been mobilized for war?

    I guess your meaning is: why is there not a draft to mobilize and meet the crisis? Except for Charlie Rangel, whose draft proposal was mainly rhetorical, there has been no meaningful effort on the left or the right to institute some sort of compulsory national service which I, for one, support.

    CaptCT: it’s bullshit war

    If it’s “bullshit war” as you claim, why are there 3 U.S. carrier battle groups in the Gulf of Hormuz. This is way beyond “bullshit” CaptCT, Welcome to the world of post 9/11 reality where Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran are the theaters in WW IV (the Cold War being WW III)

  17. TrueBlueCT

    SteadyJohn–

    It’s only ass-hats like you that are trying to turn this into Worl War IV. Why, I don’t know. But you all are doing your best, and this stupid, unnecessary Iraq Occupation is the best thing that could have happened to Al Qaeda.

    I guess my question for you is when do the Muslims quit martyring themselves against. When we kill them all? Or when we adopt smarter policies towards the Mid-East?

  18. Steadyjohn, I’ll spell this out for you because it seems you still don’t get it:

    The troops are stretched to their limits, serving extra duty and with breaks that are way too short. With more volunteers, the army would be better able to fight. If the war really mattered, the generals and politicians would be calling able-bodied men and women to serve their country.

    “Mobilized for war” means a total commitment to the effort, including enough body armor for every soldier, the right kind of humvees, etc. etc.

    Bullshit war means unnecessary. Just because warships are in the Gulf of Hormuz doesn’t mean they’re needed. It’s a show of force to scare Iran, who is no threat to us whatsoever.

    Here is your post 9/11 reality — stupid Republicans chasing oil in Iraq while our military is weakened and threats to our country increase, including threats by Osama bin Laden, who is in Afghanistan.

    Consider that during WWII, it took America and its allies about four and half years to defeat Hitler’s army. Today, Bush can’t even FIND Osama bin Laden, never mind win a war in a third world country. Bush is no commander-in-chief. He and the other chickenhawks — Lieberman, Shays, Cheney — know nothing about war, except how to scare people like you into supporting one. What a disgrace — Bush, Lieberman and the wingnuts who have no regard for the lives of American soldiers.

  19. Can we please retire the word “chickenhawk”? The liberals who throw that word around today are the very same ones that cheered on Bill Clinton, who never served in the military. The plain and simple fact — not my personal opinion — is that service in the armed forces does carry the same weight when it comes to political success that it once did. Modern examples include: Clinton over vet GHW Bush in ’92, Clinton over vet Bob Dole in ’96; W over McCain in ’00, etc. (One can even argue that Bush over Kerry in ’04 evidenced the same belief; surely Kerry’s military service was more impressive and more of a sacrifice.)

    More importantly, the word indicates a belief that one cannot serve as a high ranking elected official without having served in the military. Our military is, and has always been, controlled by civilians. Prior military service is not, nor should it become, a prerequisite….

  20. There is a difference between Clinton and the chickenhawks.

    To be a chickenhawk, first you have to be pro-war, or “hawkish.” Misleading Americans so you can fight a pre-emptive war in Iraq qualifies as hawkish. Some people call them neo-cons.

    Clinton wasn’t a neo-con — wasn’t a “hawk” — and so can’t be classified as a chickenhawk.

    A chickenhawk starts fights and lets other people fight them. That’s the worst kind of coward.

  21. Dear CaptCt:
    To reference WW II as some sort of standard by which to judge the present war against Islamofacism is absurd. Your obsession with finding Bin Laden has blinded you and others like you (far too many unfortunately) to the fact that this is a multifaceted, generational war where the targets are Israel, Europe, and particularly the U.S.

    You say: Bullshit war means unnecessary. Just because warships are in the Gulf of Hormuz doesn’t mean they’re needed. It’s a show of force to scare Iran, who is no threat to us whatsoever.

    Yes, Iran is a threat; these warships are a show of force that are necessary to demonstrate that we shall never allow the Iranian regime to obtain nuclear weapons.

  22. SteadyJohn–

    You want to bet real American dollars how long it will take Iran to gain nuclear weapons?

    Despite Bush’s blustery “axis-of-evil” talk, nothing has been done to reign in either North Korea or Iran. (and Iraq has become the mother of all recruiting tools for Al Qaeda, btw.)

    Didn’t Reagan’s “War on Drugs” teach you anything? That you can talk tough, but all the tough talk in the world can’t dictate results.

    The show of carrier force will ultimately prove as effective as abstinence-only….

    But what do you care, as a blind partisan first, American second??

  23. Next to him, Spc. Will Hedin, 21, of Chester, Conn., thought about what he was going to say.(to LIeberman)

    “We’re not making any progress,” Hedin said, as he recalled a comrade who was shot by a sniper last week. “It just seems like we drive around and wait to get shot at.”

    But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he’d never voice his true feelings to the senator.

    “I think I’d be a private if I did,” he joked. “It’s just more troops, more targets.”

    http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17300884.htm

  24. WASHINGTON – U.S. intelligence agencies warned the Bush administration before the invasion of Iraq that ousting Saddam Hussein would create a “significant risk” of sectarian strife, encourage al-Qaida attacks and open the way for Iranian interference.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee on Friday released declassified prewar intelligence reports and summaries of others that cautioned that establishing democracy in Iraq would be “long, difficult and probably turbulent” and said that while most Iraqis would welcome elections, the country’s ethnic and religious leaders would be unwilling to share power.

    Nevertheless, President Bush, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top aides decided not to deploy the major occupation that force military planners had recommended, planned to reduce U.S. troops rapidly after the invasion and believed that ousting Saddam would ignite a democratic revolution across the Middle East.

    http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/17281224.htm

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